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as a result, my pred ases sors built up a deficit that wasn't reported as part of the deficit i dealt with. >> the bus is running over and other and over. >> it was a series, this happened over a 20-year period time. >> right. >> you don't report under gap. you extend the fiscal year for income out but shorten it for payments or income in, payments out. you do all kind of crazy things. enter into a 20-year transaction for state employees that guarantee benefits, tieing the hands of future administrations. lots of crazy things happen when there are no rules. for a long time, there were no rules. >> not to mention, you use a credit discount rate for pension, liabilities. i will say, first states have cut spending but they have to cut way more according to to gao, they have to cut at least 13% every year. their reason is, one of the things we should not forget is one of the things we should do when times are good is actually save money. >> yes. >> it's not what states have done. when time was good, they were spending, spending, spending and spending. in fact, states, when private gdps gr
as a result, my pred ases sors built up a deficit that wasn't reported as part of the deficit i dealt with. >> the bus is running over and other and over. >> it was a series, this happened over a 20-year period time. >> right. >> you don't report under gap. you extend the fiscal year for income out but shorten it for payments or income in, payments out. you do all kind of crazy things. enter into a 20-year transaction for state employees that guarantee benefits, tieing...
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even if you accept that larger number, the deficit is $1.5 trillion so, even if the republicans raise the you are giving $90 billion. where are you going to get the rest of it? it will have to come from entitlement reform and meaning spending cuts. >> it's coming from loopholes. i think we can. >> he criticized governor romney's plan based on the premise there is not enough revenue in the loop homes. he has agreed to the flame work, revenues or the table. we will give you $800 billion. that is great starting point. president has insulted republicans who are going out on the limb by wanting to be more pragmatic about this by coming to the congress which even among the most liberal writers in it is not a serious proposal. the reality it has to be some point spending becomes the conversation, not revenue. >> we have given quite a bit up. we have given up $2.5 trillion. >> you gave up 2.5 in budget gimmicks. things that were going to end anyway. >> boehner and cantor do not want to tax the wealthy donors. that is what it comes down to. are we going to balance this budget? it's the engine
even if you accept that larger number, the deficit is $1.5 trillion so, even if the republicans raise the you are giving $90 billion. where are you going to get the rest of it? it will have to come from entitlement reform and meaning spending cuts. >> it's coming from loopholes. i think we can. >> he criticized governor romney's plan based on the premise there is not enough revenue in the loop homes. he has agreed to the flame work, revenues or the table. we will give you $800...
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trillion a year deficit. you're not going to solve all that with tax increases and cutting discretionary programs. we have to fix the intitlement programs. we can talk about how we do it. >> you have to be specific, steve. because when you talk about fixing the entitlement programs, we're clear, social security is off the table. what do you mean? >> what secretary geithner said is on a separate process. >> we're talking about between now and 30 days from now. >> this is preeminently where a president has to lead and be specific. you can't expect the republicans to lead on an area that he's dominated in politically. >> here's an entitlement idea, a way to help support medicare, let them dictate price -- drug prices. >> steve, this, to me, is a much more interesting debate than tom and dan. because i think the president has done exactly what he's done in the past in this negotiating. he's not grinding it out with speaker boehner. he's out giving speeches, rallying his base. meeting with groups like moveon.org.
trillion a year deficit. you're not going to solve all that with tax increases and cutting discretionary programs. we have to fix the intitlement programs. we can talk about how we do it. >> you have to be specific, steve. because when you talk about fixing the entitlement programs, we're clear, social security is off the table. what do you mean? >> what secretary geithner said is on a separate process. >> we're talking about between now and 30 days from now. >> this is...
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president proposing for tackling the real economic challenge we have here, the real driver of budget deficits, the real threat to american economics, superiority in this world, out of control-- the president of the united states, the president for four yea years, no credible plan for tackling that spending. >> dave: there's been nothing put on paper when it comes to entitlements from the president one thing he's been afraid to do. now he's been reelected don't be afraid to face the voters. tack tackle entitlement and changes to survive. >> alisyn: isn't that the beauty of the second term. incumbency you're no longer bo ho holden to anyone. >> and that 1.6 trillion dollar. before 800 billion and now it's 1.6 trillion. maybe that's the second term speaking. >> alisyn: let's talk about what's going on with the christmas tree. as you know, it's christmas season and that means that there will be incidents where the p.c. police are out in force, checking and calling your tree, a holiday tree or a christmas tree and this has. this is brewing in massachusetts because the mayor of a small town, well,
president proposing for tackling the real economic challenge we have here, the real driver of budget deficits, the real threat to american economics, superiority in this world, out of control-- the president of the united states, the president for four yea years, no credible plan for tackling that spending. >> dave: there's been nothing put on paper when it comes to entitlements from the president one thing he's been afraid to do. now he's been reelected don't be afraid to face the...
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a lousy economy for four years, i left unemployment high, i increased the size of the debt and the deficit, i got everything i wanted, the place is a mess and look, i got reelected. so, what's so hard about me continuing to doing that and blaming it on them. obviously, i'm very good at that and that's base clr where he's going here and the republicans i think are not very good poker players, they're signaled they're relucks tennant to go over the cliff. if you're in this showdown, i is a, come on, bring it. >> paul: they will get blamed if that happens and the president is signaling that. that wouldn't be a pleasant outcome for them. you're saying they should suggest to the president we had he' be willing to do that and maybe he'll give at the end? >> yeah, i think they have to show that they are it, that he's in a negotiation and that he has to give and that they're willing to give and if they just say, look, we're so afraid of getting blamed for that, of course, he's going to roll over them. >> kim, where do you think the republicans are? where should they go here? do they have real opti
a lousy economy for four years, i left unemployment high, i increased the size of the debt and the deficit, i got everything i wanted, the place is a mess and look, i got reelected. so, what's so hard about me continuing to doing that and blaming it on them. obviously, i'm very good at that and that's base clr where he's going here and the republicans i think are not very good poker players, they're signaled they're relucks tennant to go over the cliff. if you're in this showdown, i is a, come...
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bub it is not part -- but it's not part of the current deficit issue at all. separate issue. you may call it premium the medicare program and tosses it over to the private health insurance companies. i have worked with the private health insurance companies for a long, long -- >> it's not true. >> sorry, it does happen to be what the premium support is all about. you are supporting the premium for private health insurance companies. call it vouch every or premium support. in either case it terminates the medicare as we know it. that is a problem for seniors. >> we are leaving on many point of disagreement, not agreement. we know you have a lot of work to do on the hill. we thank you for taking time out for us today. we wish you beth to find abcompromise. >> thank you. >> thank you, shannon. >> this is a fox news alert. nine militants and at least five afghans are reportedly dead after a fire fight at an air base in american afghanistan that lasted more than two hours. officials say two suicide bombers detonated explosives outside the base that helicopters fired on them. they
bub it is not part -- but it's not part of the current deficit issue at all. separate issue. you may call it premium the medicare program and tosses it over to the private health insurance companies. i have worked with the private health insurance companies for a long, long -- >> it's not true. >> sorry, it does happen to be what the premium support is all about. you are supporting the premium for private health insurance companies. call it vouch every or premium support. in either...
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that will have the worst impact on the deficit that anything will. we got to make sure that the economy continuebes to grow. that is the problem here. i know democrats have this blood lust to raise taxes on supposedly rich people, which are really small business people. but it is not going to do anything to grow the economy. here is what president obama needs. he has to make sure the economy grows. he will be a two-term jimmy carter if the economy goes back in recession and we can't pull ourselves out of this thing. >> eric: i heard you laugh, martin on the "two-term jimmy carter" line. >> he doesn't want to be a two-term george w. bush that took us in a steep recession. >> hey, you are the one with the bush tax cut. >> this can be worked out. everybody knows that. you can raise rates a point or two, that is not going to be end of the world. republicans understand that. let's get through with the fear we have had a couple of weeks of theater and let's get down to serious negotiations. i don't think the republicans want to fight to the death to protec
that will have the worst impact on the deficit that anything will. we got to make sure that the economy continuebes to grow. that is the problem here. i know democrats have this blood lust to raise taxes on supposedly rich people, which are really small business people. but it is not going to do anything to grow the economy. here is what president obama needs. he has to make sure the economy grows. he will be a two-term jimmy carter if the economy goes back in recession and we can't pull...
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talking a whole lot about money, how to keep our economy growing, and, of course, how to reduce the deficit. on thursday we'll have all eyes on washington actually. talking about same-sex marriage. two very controversial changes in washington. same-sex marriage will become legal there, and we'll also, of course, they'll be legalizing pot. those over 21 can carry up to an ounce of pot starting on thursday in washington. on friday yet another jobs report. the november jobs report this time. 171,000 jobs were added, you may recall, in october, but experts think that maybe superstorm sandy might have slowed the growth this time around. we'll see if that really does have any affect on that jobs report coming out on friday morning. on saturday college football fans pay close attention here. the heisman trophy winner will be announced. we'll find out who the best player in college football really is. >>> who was the only sitting president married in the white house. if you know the answer, tweet me@randi kaye cnn. we'll have the answer after this quick break. [ abdul-rashid ] i've been working sin
talking a whole lot about money, how to keep our economy growing, and, of course, how to reduce the deficit. on thursday we'll have all eyes on washington actually. talking about same-sex marriage. two very controversial changes in washington. same-sex marriage will become legal there, and we'll also, of course, they'll be legalizing pot. those over 21 can carry up to an ounce of pot starting on thursday in washington. on friday yet another jobs report. the november jobs report this time....
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talking, of course, about money, how to keep our economy growing, and of course hopefully reduce the deficit as well. very busy day there at the white house. on thursday, we have all our eyes on washington. two controversial changes in washington state, same-sex marriage becomes legal on thursday in washington state. we'll also be looking at marijuana. adults over 21 can legally carry up to an ounce of pot, sort of. the federal government still says pot is an illegal drug. that's how they're going to do it in washington on thursday. and on friday, we'll be watching for the jobs report. this is the november jobs report. in october, 171,000 jobs were add a added, you may recall. experts think superstorm sandy could affect this. a lot of people having a hard time getting around, power is out. really put a lot of folks behind. we'll see how that goes. on saturday, a big day for college football fans. heisman trophy winner will be announced. we'll find out who the best player in college football is. last year, can you remember who it is? nfl star robert griffin iii won the heisman. that's your we
talking, of course, about money, how to keep our economy growing, and of course hopefully reduce the deficit as well. very busy day there at the white house. on thursday, we have all our eyes on washington. two controversial changes in washington state, same-sex marriage becomes legal on thursday in washington state. we'll also be looking at marijuana. adults over 21 can legally carry up to an ounce of pot, sort of. the federal government still says pot is an illegal drug. that's how they're...
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what i heard you say, this deficit reduction, the economic questions, part of what i'm interested in, post '08 the conservative voices that emerge were the limbaughs and the glenn beck rather than elected leaders. what i'm wondering, is there a way in which elected republicans might help to move conservatism towards an actual conservatism as opposed to the social angst that we saw last time? >> i kind of reject the premise of the post '08. the most interesting development post '08 was something that you could not have predicted at this stage four years ago to the day, which is the rise of a pop list anti-government spending wing of the country and of the electorate. not anti-tax, anti-government spending. the tea party. you did get new voices talking in a different way. rand paul is not talking in the same way that a rick santorum or a newt gingrich has talked about. marco rubio doesn't talk. mike lee, there's a lot of different people who talk differently here. one question, chris christie is another. this class of 2010. that is an interesting wing. it's unclear whether that wing, if
what i heard you say, this deficit reduction, the economic questions, part of what i'm interested in, post '08 the conservative voices that emerge were the limbaughs and the glenn beck rather than elected leaders. what i'm wondering, is there a way in which elected republicans might help to move conservatism towards an actual conservatism as opposed to the social angst that we saw last time? >> i kind of reject the premise of the post '08. the most interesting development post '08 was...